026 | For El Fago

A few months ago, Justin sat down with his grandfather to talk about life, lessons, and politics.

Joe Dickson, known by his grandchildren as El Fago, has led a very interesting life--from owning a newspaper in Birmingham to being terribly close to the 16th St bombing. Here's the completely unedited conversation.

"I have never seen anything like Trump in my entire life."

- Joe Dickson